tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9493601.post175002384639695723..comments2024-01-11T15:12:49.433-05:00Comments on Tao of Photography by Andy Ilachinski: Unconscious Influence and the Creative ProcessAndy Ilachinskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14572501787099507666noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9493601.post-18134776438215308162009-11-24T16:03:03.300-05:002009-11-24T16:03:03.300-05:00...then again, it all could be simply a matter of ......then again, it all could be simply a matter of great minds thinking alike! ;~)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10365407228381991920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9493601.post-62065370656522330322009-11-24T16:01:17.624-05:002009-11-24T16:01:17.624-05:00Andy, This post (reminiscent of mine, *curious win...Andy, This post (reminiscent of mine, *curious wink*) has me thinking of the phenomenon of "sympathetic vibration" that Dr. Emoto talks about in his "Hidden Messages in Water" lectures. <br />Similar to the idea in physics of two particles, billions of light years apart in the Universe, responding identically to each other, as if twins, or as the same particle experienced in separate time + space. Space and time being the true cloth of Maya. Heady stuff, but something I believe is operating below our conscious radar...Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10365407228381991920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9493601.post-60890910280095130822009-07-22T02:16:19.475-05:002009-07-22T02:16:19.475-05:00Andy great work.Your photography inspired me.Andy great work.Your photography inspired me.hosting boyhttp://www.cheapwebhostingseller.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9493601.post-14525320594892216572009-02-20T09:32:00.000-05:002009-02-20T09:32:00.000-05:00Thanks Andy :-)Thanks Andy :-)Dianehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15146163330914775210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9493601.post-14327724726871484792009-02-20T03:19:00.000-05:002009-02-20T03:19:00.000-05:00I love your blog. your pictures are really amazing...I love your blog. your pictures are really amazing. You inspire me to study photography more...<BR/><BR/>macAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9493601.post-81971944415569618362009-02-14T21:56:00.000-05:002009-02-14T21:56:00.000-05:00Intersection of independent creative thought has a...Intersection of independent creative thought has always been a fascination of mine. I have experienced it myself in my photographs, even occasionally in some of my blog posts. I have to wonder if it is the similarities in whatever neurons that spark that creative thought - when presented with a similar stimulus - provides a similar outcome?<BR/><BR/>Thank you for another very thought provoking post.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08324591166838241161noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9493601.post-40363067778263944922009-02-13T10:15:00.000-05:002009-02-13T10:15:00.000-05:00I've pondered this question myself about my work a...I've pondered this question myself about my work and even written about it in my blog<BR/>http://billiemercer.blogspot.com/search?q=gamers<BR/>But your writing, as always, is so well thought out that it gives me more to ponder. <BR/><BR/>BTW, Fay Godwin is also a favorite of mine.Billie Mercerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17826454938577230499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9493601.post-49204785114855368932009-02-13T02:47:00.000-05:002009-02-13T02:47:00.000-05:00This is certainly a different take on photography....This is certainly a different take on photography. I most certainly agree on most of the points of David. But isn't that taught at a <A HREF="http://www.smartschoolfinder.com/best-photography-school/" REL="nofollow">photography class</A><BR/>? How they should be careful when it comes to copying point black the work of their masters?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9493601.post-676855964969354752009-02-10T16:54:00.000-05:002009-02-10T16:54:00.000-05:00There are many ideas swirling around in this post....There are many ideas swirling around in this post. Let me address just a few.<BR/><BR/>On the main point about one artist duplicating another's work, such as the photographs you reference: It's a difficult question to know if a person is plagiarizing or not. Only the person himself knows for certain if he is copying the work of another. And even then, as others noted, he may not be consciously aware if he in fact did copy another's work. <BR/><BR/>However, we can say fairly assuredly that if a neophyte creates a work that only a master could do, well, that certainly makes plagiarism a very real possibility. Miracles can happen, the improbable is possible, but they are rarities.<BR/><BR/>I believe that if the person is honest with himself and with others, he should publish his work as best he can. If there are similarities to others, well, that just means he was on the right track. It also means his work is not the first of its kind, but so what. If anything, good work deserves a broad audience and this artist will have introduced others to something they may not have ever seen otherwise. <BR/><BR/>My enjoyment of Andy's pictures comes from seeing his work, for the first time. As a non-photographer, I don't see other artist's works so Andy's is my first taste of good art.<BR/><BR/>Let's compare art to mathematics. It is quite possible that a mathematics student will stumble upon a mathematical truth that is well-known, or previously known. Sometimes, there are truths that were known centuries ago but are not well-known today. Does that lessen his "discovery"? Of course not, it's still a wonderful idea. Original, no. Worthwhile, of course. <BR/><BR/>Suppose that student then publicizes his "discovery." Is that plagiarism? No, he has no idea of original discoverer. He is welcome to tell others but he must be aware that if his idea is not original, he must give credit to the originator. That does not detract from his work, it merely means others discovered this truth as well. Once he knows someone else discovered this truth, he has a duty to say so.<BR/><BR/>The important point, however, is that the student discovered this truth on his own. If he had, say, found it in a book, and then claimed credit for himself, that is certainly plagiarism. <BR/><BR/>By the way, let's look at the flip side of this. Suppose people were so worried that what they were doing was already done by others. Further, they worried that their work would be simple copies of another's work. <BR/><BR/>That fear would stifle artists, stifle scientists, stifle muscians, and bring creativity to a stand-still. Everyone would be so worried to be original that no one would create out of pure fear. I don't think anyone wants that.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02236449128797878326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9493601.post-87920157705892856582009-02-10T09:41:00.000-05:002009-02-10T09:41:00.000-05:00Great post & pondering question???? p.s. thank...Great post & pondering question???? <BR/><BR/>p.s. thanks for posting/writing on “seeing beyond sight” it has become powerful inspiration to me…<BR/><BR/>Peace ~ JohnAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05573001291542238450noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9493601.post-4258102638261551242009-02-09T17:11:00.000-05:002009-02-09T17:11:00.000-05:00As a counter to Moon, I think that, barring knowle...As a counter to Moon, I think that, barring knowledge of that particular Godwin photo, you would still have shot the LB photo in an identical, or very similar manner. <BR/><BR/>While you did previously see her version, it had, at the time of your photograph, been long relegated to the subconscious archive. What inspired you to photograph LB as you did perhaps had less to do with that specific Godwin photo as it did with your overall collective experiences viewing photographs, in general, including those of Godwin. I could also have added that your personal experiences were a factor, but as those probably had a foundation in the works of others, it becomes, for this matter, moot.<BR/><BR/>In a nutshell, I'm guessing that it was your overall experiences that influenced how you shot "Luminous Boundary" more so than a specific latent memory.<BR/><BR/>Regardless, it does beg a bit of further contemplation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9493601.post-40571980855057983732009-02-09T00:54:00.000-05:002009-02-09T00:54:00.000-05:00Your ask yourself the question, but it begs to be ...Your ask yourself the question, but it begs to be answered by us readers: No, you would not have taken your LB shot like that had you not "known" about / of Godwin's similar shot.<BR/><BR/>You mentioned that music (the Beethoven bio specifically) got you thinking about this. I am an amateur jazz listener / musician, and I have noted that during improvised solos, musicians tend to embrace the kind of links you're pondering. If a soloist "stumbles" upon a lick or riff that leads into a like riff of some well-known jazz number, the musician often just goes along with the reference. Sometimes it's overt, sometimes subtle. Not being a professional, I can't know what is customary. But it seems to me that it's a way to honor the greatness of some famous musician, and to acknowledge that musician's influence on you.<BR/><BR/>So, perhaps you can be a jazz photographer: embrace, reference, let it happen. If you don't consciously recognize your references on occasion, someone else will! And all parties (referrer, referent, and spectator) are elevated. ;-\Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com